Refs are quite hard... Others' figures and lines proved unhelpful in drawing the right lines. In the end had to remove them all and do it myself... so not so good.
On one hand, these later doodles are not the best I've done, but on the other hand I do enjoy working without references and seeing what spews spontaneously out of my head. I guess it's time to start being both spontaneous and technically skilful... If I only spent less till playing video games and more time drawing *sigh* -_-